Hello Eric once again. Well im not in sunny California but in the frozen tundra of the Adirondack mts in Northern NY where spring time arrives in late April!! If you look at that female you have , you will notice that she has jet black pelvic fins, females almost always have jet black pelvic fins, my males dont have the black markings there but are generally orange in color or clear fins. Also look for spiked 2nd and 3rd dorsal rays, females dorsal fin should be nice and rounded all across the top. If your fish was big enough to see these characteristics in your female , the rest should be large enough to sex out a few males. Hope this helps you out. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!