I just brought home a bag of Blue Rams and they appear to be the German type, (darker markings and more black,etc.). Since they are manmade do they still need lower ph like the original or are they like the angel where the fixed strains are just as well off at nuetral ph and moderate hardness? I've also heard they are hardier than the normal strain. bb ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!