Raymond, > hmm > the thing is my tank is very brightly lit but it is fulyl planted. so i'm > not too sure if that would affect/cause them not to breed I've had several broods in a brightly lit tank. The tank is setup for plants and has ~3 w/gal. I actually had two egg clutches visible right in the middle of the water column, directly under the lights. Water is soft (3dH) with pH 6.8. Jamie <"\\\>< Greenwood, SC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!