Well Big John, It would appear that your cacatoides do not reach menopause. They just die happy. :):) Gabi Kadar Toronto Hello Everyone Time for me to pop in here as we're speaking about adult age of Cacatuoides. I've had pairs live close to 4 years of age and still spawning after 3 years of age. Now granted, my 3 year old pair didnt spawn as frequently as my 1 year pairs do, but man what a spawn size. I had to estimate well over 120+ fry, not eggs but fry that came out of a 3 year old pair. They only spawned once or twice a year at that age, but with numbers like that, who cares?? lol I presently have a fairly large male living in my community tank that i bought at the 1998 OCA Cichlid Extravaganza and he was good sized then, assuming at least a 6 - 8 month old fish. He did lose his mate not that long ago, but spawned only 2.5 months ago giving me a good sized spawn. So that makes this male close to 3 years old and he's doing fine. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!