Mike J Sorry i didnt dump any blue goop in my tanks, i drank that stuff long time ago, supply ran out in July in Cleveland, Maybe Mike Schadle will bring more this year to New Jersey, I'm gonna be there for 4 full days this year!! woohoo imagine what the hospitality room will look like there !!! Now that blue stuff came in large 8 inch test tubes that had a 1 inch diameter, stuff looked like windshield wash fluid and tasted pretty close. But after 8 or 10 of them who cared!! This year i refuse to do late night drinking with people from Indiana unless its my drink of choice, which would be Zambuca!! But back to the fish, i did massive water changes last week, about 80% and then fed heavy this week with live brine shrimp and frozen blood worms, maybe thats the key?? Or could it just be large water changes with very extreme barometer changes due to such nasty weather this week??? Either way I'm not complaining!!! Tundra John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!