Mike, I just noticed (after all these months-sometimes I'm just very slow) that my sp. Papagei show a 'double' caudal peduncle spot, as seen in the commbrae complex (sub-complex?). Does this put Papagei and other apparently closely-related fish (Pebas, Morado, etc.) in that same group? Or are they something different? I think I remember you saying that you've placed Papagei in the Regani group. I'd be interested in knowing how you view the the Papagei sub(sub(sub)) complex??? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!