Thank you Sal, It is very encouraging to know that apistos can raise fry even with crown loaches marauding around. I must give them more hiding places since other female trifasciata's seem to be turning yellow, too. I am going to put more pots and saucers and look for Java moss to put into both of my tanks. Tomoko ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!