Eric - I recall seeing that same effect on a brietbinden I had at one time. I attributed it to stress. As I recall, it did not correlate to any other problems I had with the fish. I did eventually loose it, but not to this. I also recall seeing it on a particular Viejita CF II I had at one time. I have not seen it since on other Viejitas. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Eric Martina [mailto:emartina@uiuc.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 11:25 AM To: Apisto Group Subject: Black face Hello all, Yesterday my A. sp. "Brietbinden" spawned. After they spawned the half of the males face turned dark brown, almost black. The color is split exactly right down the middle of his face. If you are looking at him head on it is the right side (his left). He also has some sort of bump on his head. It is not a cut or a sore, just a bump (maybe he hit his head on the PVC pipe while spawning?). The rest of him is the normal color, he is acting normal, his fins are not clamped or anything like that. Does anyone know if this half black face it typical in the "Brietbinden"? Thanks, Eric ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eric Martina University of Illinois Electrical Engineering ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!