Max - I have no doubt that bloodworms in excess are not good for apistos (or anything else for that matter), and that very clean blackworms are OK. But I have to smile - I am incredibely allergic to bloodworms, and thus do not feed them any longer. I am not allergic to blackworms, but I just had a couple apistos go through the bloat problem you describe after feeding it to them. I have a feeling that the amount of discussion on this fact comes from most people's experience similar to the latter. I guess the bottom line is, not unlike for people - feed in moderation, vary the diet and feed only clean, fresh food. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Max Gallade [mailto:mgallade@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 9:19 AM To: apisto@listbox.com Subject: Re: Black face Gabriella, You're right about Bloodworms being Midge larvae.The problem is their hard outer shell which is tough to digest for young Discus and DC's. DC's seem to over indulge on Bloodworms and their intestinal track could get blocked by the Bloodworms.I had this happen to some of my rarest fish.The fish's stomach starts to bloat.Then the fish stops eating and eventually dies. I have not had this problem since I stopped feeding Bloodworms. I'm not saying feeding Bloodworms is wrong.I'm just sharing my experience that I had so far with them. I also used to feed a lot of Blackworms but started to get bad allergic reactions just having them around.I never had a problem with them other then allergies. Just my zwei Pfennige Max http://clix.to/Apisto ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!