I believe (and this is from memory, which usually works, but not always) someone on that thread said that vodka was the best (as cheap vodka is cheap), but to avoid whiskey and stick to the clear stuff. I don't know if that would make gin and light rum ok to use or not. Quite frankly, I'm sure that any of them would work, but some would probably be quicker/more "humane" than others. Cameron ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!