Another name for you Mike... Here in the UK I bought a young trio of wild caught fish as Ap. sp. 'Orange'. They are certainly nijsenni/cacutoides group fish. I'm guessing at atahualpa, even though they are more yellow and the blue is paler and not as extensive as the atahualpa on the Krib website. male: bodycolour is metallic 'old gold' with a blue sheen on the lower half of the body from the caudal fin forward to mid-way. There is a checker pattern of darker scales in the blue near the caudal fin. Nomally there is only a hint of any dark markings, although under stress it gets markings typical of cacutoides - a cheek stripe, a wide even body stripe with the addition of large spot at the base of the caudal fin. The caudal fin is rounded (like nijsenni) and unmarked. The dorsal fin is not especially sail like but the first 5 rays are extended. These are young fish and the lappets are already longer than 'norberti' so the potential is for cacutoides length lappets. female: the dominant female has a bright plain yellow bodycolour, with no bodyspots other than 7-8 dark spots on the margin between the dorsal fin and the body. She has a black cheek stripe and black ventrals. She has a large black spot on the caudal peduncle. The subdominant female has more subtle colouring with a light brown bodystripe. They are fairly intolerant of other dwarf cichlids in their tank (a very heavily planted 50 USgallon) with cardinals, Ap. trifaciata, Ap. hongsloi I, wild Rams. Can anyone confirm this is atahualpa, or suggest an alternative. Alan W ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!