Al, I just started experimenting with Profile. After a not-so-scientific test here at home, i found that it significantly raised the general hardness of my water, but not the carbonate hardness. So fine for plants, but not so good for most Apistos, or my new dwarf Pikes. Flourite is really the way to go, but terribly expensive. Supposedly there is an Aquatic Plant Soil made by Schultz, but i have only seen it once. The aquatic plant soil is supposed to be totally inert. On the Aquatic Plants Digest several folks have reported raised hardness levels in tanks with the Profile Clay Soil Conditioner. I recently set up and planted a tank with the Clay Soil Conditioner. Our water is very soft here straight out of the tap, about 35 ppm KH and less than 20 ppm GH. In my little test i found that the GH went up to 180 ppm, while the KH remained stable. I'll test this newly setup tank and see what the levels are. later, christine danville, CA > I was wondering if anyone has used profile soil conditioner as a substrate > in soft water tanks..I did a test and my tap water is 120ppm and and after > adding profile it rose to 500+ ppm....It said it is just kilned fuellers > earth and is inert...but it seems to leach carbonates....if anyone has used > this and has any info please let me know your results..also..if this is > going to harden my water what would be a good substrate for a softwater tank > and plants included...I heard people using black beauty...is this safe....I > do not want to get into the more expensive stuff like laterite or > simular..just something that will not alter the water and grow plants... > > Thanks > Al ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!