Just a follow up to a message I posted a while back (thanks Mike for helping then). My Apisto spp. 'orange' have eventually coloured up and are definately atahualpa. I bought 2 males 3 females (there was another female at the LFS but it was very ill) and the alpha male and 2 females have coloured up similar to the pictures on the 'krib' website. My fish seem to be a darker 'mahogany orange' colour. I intend to make a serious attempt to breed these georgeous fish, but have to say they are the most nervous and aggressive Apistos I've ever kept (by some margin). I moved them to a very, very densly planted 42x18x18" tank with lots of caves and bogwood as the alpha male hunted the other fish down in a planted 36x15x15". Has anyone had any success with breeding this species or even know what the preffered water conditions are - I am keeping them at pH 5.8, 80F, very soft water and they seem to be thriving. Is there anything in the Uwe Romer book which someone could kindly translate from the german? Alan W ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!