A week or so ago I gave my opinion about A. sp. Tiger stripe. My opinion was that it is the same species as A. sp. Masken. After discussing this with Julio Melgar & Ingo Koslowski it appears that my ID is wrong. A. sp. Tiger-stripe is not A. sp. Masken. Koslowski wrote me the following: "Gary´s Tigerstripe is most likely a form of the Winkelfleck. I am not sure, because I never saw this alive. It shows the body- and fin shape, the metallic sheen and the typical aggressive pattern of this species. The main difference is that it has a less striped caudal fin and more red on the gill covers. It is definitely not a Masken, which is less compact with a slightly more pointed head, has no metallic body and slightly different gill cover markings (difficult to describe). It normally has a higher dorsal fin, more prominent abdominal stripes a more slender caudal spot and more regularly striped caudal fin. It is also more vertically depressed. Nonetheless both species are similar and it may be difficult to tell them apart if one hasn't had them alive." The caudal fin pattern is sufficiently different from that of A. sp. Winkelfleck (but like that seen on A. sp. Masken) that for now I will put it on my list as a separate species. Randy Cary sent me a photo of A. sp. Carapintada. Well, Randy, they might not be Masken after all. They might be Tiger-stripe. Gary, do you know anyone who is still keeping offspring from your original Tiger-stripes? Contact me off list. Oh, BTW, does anyone have a good recipe for crow? I'm sure that I'll be eating crow over this fiasco for a while - { :-( Mike Wise ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!