My last apisto collected in Peru in July 1996 died in January 2001, 4.5 years later. It was a female Apistogramma bitaeniata. When collected, it was too small for me to recognize as a bitaeniata, probably 1 cm or less. Her mate, a gorgeous large male died several months earlier. Both of them suffered from bent backs with age and lost weight in the months before they died. P.S. Sorry about the botched moderation of the list with all the emails titled 'FWD ...' For those who asked, the list is, for now, moderated to keep it on topic. I'm sorry that that delays postings. Frank ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.