Hi all let me clarify one thing here. I have planted tanks and I have breeding tanks. In my breeding tanks I use "hardy" plants that grow well and thrive in less then perfect conditions such as a very acidic environment. My concern here are breeding the fish and getting the eggs to hatch and then I watch a little female Apisto tend her young thats the reward. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.