John, The fish I am refering to were picked up as ortmanni, and the only one that has colored up looks like a picture of a male N anomala that is posted on the krib. He could also be a smaragd, but the fish are so shy and the one that I can look at is with a flashlight to see into a cave. So I have no idea what they are. Greg ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.