ok , heres to dispell any of the norms of Nijsenni. All the juvies actually sexable sized nijsenni are from a pair that spawned in a 5 gallon tank. I had them in there as a quarantee tank until i could get a bigger tank set up for them. I guess 3 flower pots, sponge filter and water was all that they needed..... I ended up with about 50+ fry from that pair... first spawn was the trick for them..... I normally use a ten gallon tank for my Nijsenni... I like to put at least one or two more flower pots then number of fish into the tank.... gives them a chance to select where to spawn and where to hide..... i have found that large Male Nijsenni tended to be fry eaters with younger fish being better spawners and parents..... My experiences here, so dont jump at me please. I have always used a varied diet, frozen bloodworms, baby brine shrimp, tetra bits ( oops color bits ) flake food and live daphnia went it doesnt crash in the summer on me. This always kept them well conditioned. I have also found that my Nijsenni liked the water warmer for spawning, near 80F.... Although i have had them spawn in 75F water... My tap water is around 6.5 pH and 15ppm Hardness. In older more established tanks the pH drops into the 5 something range and they love that. Anyways ..... my experiences with Nijsenni John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.