Re: blue ram parenting behavior?

[Brian Ahmer <ahmer.1@osu.edu>]

Hey this is great info, thanks!  I've got rams eating their fry after 4 to 5
days also.  I also like the remarks on inbreeding.  Very true.  I just sent
an article to the International Betta Congress journal "Flare".  The title
was "Inbreeding is a good thing".  I've got the pdf if anybody wants it.



Brian Ahmer
ahmer.1@osu.edu
http://www.angelfire.com/or/biggestbri



on 9/16/01 10:48 PM, Mike Jacobs at mjacobs2@tampabay.rr.com wrote:

> Jason and everyone........the trouble, so to speak, with rams is that they
> need conditions to be perfect before they will raise their young........I
> mean perfect!  And perfect for one pair may not be perfect for another
> pair......part of the mystery of the ram.........But I will tell you guys
> that most people don't have the heat anywhere near where they want/like
> it.............84 - 85 degrees is what they prefer.  I have had some spawn
> successfully at 78-80 but you guys want to see the parents raise
> them........crank up the heat, put one pair in a 20 long (minimum 15 or you
> will likely loose one of the parents), PLENTY of places to hide (small clay
> pots all over!!!!!!!) and have the patients of a discus breeder.........they
> will eat their young 900 times just like some discus and then bingo.....all
> is fine.......I have a pair of discus right now that have laid and
> eaten.....ohhhhhhhhhhh, maybe 25 spawns (they hatch so I have viable
> parents)...........I'm gonna beat them!
> 
> I know folks.....there are some of you that spawn and raise rams in sewer
> water at 70 degrees with 50% saltwater..........but I want to see it.....;-)
> 
> In the past this parental mis-behavior has been blamed on
> inbreeding.............folks....they were the same in 1965 with F0 (wild)
> fish.....prettier then than what you see now because you don't see real F)'s
> very often but the same parental problem!!!!!...........I get a kick out of
> everyone blaming all of the problems of the tropical industry on
> "inbreeding"...........there are problems with inbreeding but not with the
> parenting of rams .................or angels!...................I have been
> called "nuts" before, so save your breath folks!!!!!!!  Some times we think
> just because the fish lay eggs that the conditions must be ok or perfect or
> anything you want to say...........not true........the discus people deal
> with this on a daily basis.........why are we so reluctant to put the ram in
> this category????????
> 
> A true F0.....WILD ram is a real site to behold...................question
> anyone who claims to have real F0 rams.......but if you can be sure, buy all
> you can get, you'll never see anything like it!!!!!!!
> 
> Have a super day folks.....................back to school tomorrow!!
> 
> Mike
> 
> Mike Jacobs
> Center for Advanced Technologies
> High School Math Instructor
> St. Pete, Fl.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Sullivan" <jsull97@earthlink.net>
> To: <apisto@listbox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 10:01 PM
> Subject: RE: blue ram parenting behavior?
> 
> 
>> Another 2 cents...
>> 
>> A common problem I have seen among my pairs is that otherwise attentive,
> two
>> active spawners will raise the fry to 4 or 5 days then all the fry
> disappear
>> overnight.  This has been very frustrating because I have some pairs among
>> that same group that will grow the fry out attentively and then spawn in
> the
>> same tank again at about three weeks.
>> 
>> This may speak to the earlier comments about breeding line behaviors.
>> Regardless, the trial and error portion of my spawnings to find a pair
> that
>> doesn't eat the fry has cost many a cloud of fry.
>> 



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