Re: blue ram parenting behavior?

["Mike Jacobs" <mjacobs2@tampabay.rr.com>]

Jason and everyone........the trouble, so to speak, with rams is that they
need conditions to be perfect before they will raise their young........I
mean perfect!  And perfect for one pair may not be perfect for another
pair......part of the mystery of the ram.........But I will tell you guys
that most people don't have the heat anywhere near where they want/like
it.............84 - 85 degrees is what they prefer.  I have had some spawn
successfully at 78-80 but you guys want to see the parents raise
them........crank up the heat, put one pair in a 20 long (minimum 15 or you
will likely loose one of the parents), PLENTY of places to hide (small clay
pots all over!!!!!!!) and have the patients of a discus breeder.........they
will eat their young 900 times just like some discus and then bingo.....all
is fine.......I have a pair of discus right now that have laid and
eaten.....ohhhhhhhhhhh, maybe 25 spawns (they hatch so I have viable
parents)...........I'm gonna beat them!

I know folks.....there are some of you that spawn and raise rams in sewer
water at 70 degrees with 50% saltwater..........but I want to see it.....;-)

In the past this parental mis-behavior has been blamed on
inbreeding.............folks....they were the same in 1965 with F0 (wild)
fish.....prettier then than what you see now because you don't see real F)'s
very often but the same parental problem!!!!!...........I get a kick out of
everyone blaming all of the problems of the tropical industry on
"inbreeding"...........there are problems with inbreeding but not with the
parenting of rams .................or angels!...................I have been
called "nuts" before, so save your breath folks!!!!!!!  Some times we think
just because the fish lay eggs that the conditions must be ok or perfect or
anything you want to say...........not true........the discus people deal
with this on a daily basis.........why are we so reluctant to put the ram in
this category????????

A true F0.....WILD ram is a real site to behold...................question
anyone who claims to have real F0 rams.......but if you can be sure, buy all
you can get, you'll never see anything like it!!!!!!!

Have a super day folks.....................back to school tomorrow!!

Mike

Mike Jacobs
Center for Advanced Technologies
High School Math Instructor
St. Pete, Fl.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Sullivan" <jsull97@earthlink.net>
To: <apisto@listbox.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 10:01 PM
Subject: RE: blue ram parenting behavior?


> Another 2 cents...
>
> A common problem I have seen among my pairs is that otherwise attentive,
two
> active spawners will raise the fry to 4 or 5 days then all the fry
disappear
> overnight.  This has been very frustrating because I have some pairs among
> that same group that will grow the fry out attentively and then spawn in
the
> same tank again at about three weeks.
>
> This may speak to the earlier comments about breeding line behaviors.
> Regardless, the trial and error portion of my spawnings to find a pair
that
> doesn't eat the fry has cost many a cloud of fry.
>
> J Sullivan.
>
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> Jason Sullivan
>
> Wayne, NJ
> mailto:jsull97@earthlink.net
>
>
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