Re: blue ram parenting behavior?

["Mike Jacobs" <mjacobs2@tampabay.rr.com>]

Brian......send one my way.......sounds great!.........a new
opinion!.......;-)....unless that "OSU" stands for Ohio State.....I
graduated from Purdue!!!...;-)

Mike

Mike Jacobs
Center for Advanced Technologies
High School Math Instructor
St. Pete, Fl.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Ahmer" <ahmer.1@osu.edu>
To: <apisto@listbox.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: blue ram parenting behavior?


>
> Hey this is great info, thanks!  I've got rams eating their fry after 4 to
5
> days also.  I also like the remarks on inbreeding.  Very true.  I just
sent
> an article to the International Betta Congress journal "Flare".  The title
> was "Inbreeding is a good thing".  I've got the pdf if anybody wants it.
>
>
>
> Brian Ahmer
> ahmer.1@osu.edu
> http://www.angelfire.com/or/biggestbri
>
>
>
> on 9/16/01 10:48 PM, Mike Jacobs at mjacobs2@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
>
> > Jason and everyone........the trouble, so to speak, with rams is that
they
> > need conditions to be perfect before they will raise their
young........I
> > mean perfect!  And perfect for one pair may not be perfect for another
> > pair......part of the mystery of the ram.........But I will tell you
guys
> > that most people don't have the heat anywhere near where they want/like
> > it.............84 - 85 degrees is what they prefer.  I have had some
spawn
> > successfully at 78-80 but you guys want to see the parents raise
> > them........crank up the heat, put one pair in a 20 long (minimum 15 or
you
> > will likely loose one of the parents), PLENTY of places to hide (small
clay
> > pots all over!!!!!!!) and have the patients of a discus
breeder.........they
> > will eat their young 900 times just like some discus and then
bingo.....all
> > is fine.......I have a pair of discus right now that have laid and
> > eaten.....ohhhhhhhhhhh, maybe 25 spawns (they hatch so I have viable
> > parents)...........I'm gonna beat them!
> >
> > I know folks.....there are some of you that spawn and raise rams in
sewer
> > water at 70 degrees with 50% saltwater..........but I want to see
it.....;-)
> >
> > In the past this parental mis-behavior has been blamed on
> > inbreeding.............folks....they were the same in 1965 with F0
(wild)
> > fish.....prettier then than what you see now because you don't see real
F)'s
> > very often but the same parental problem!!!!!...........I get a kick out
of
> > everyone blaming all of the problems of the tropical industry on
> > "inbreeding"...........there are problems with inbreeding but not with
the
> > parenting of rams .................or angels!...................I have
been
> > called "nuts" before, so save your breath folks!!!!!!!  Some times we
think
> > just because the fish lay eggs that the conditions must be ok or perfect
or
> > anything you want to say...........not true........the discus people
deal
> > with this on a daily basis.........why are we so reluctant to put the
ram in
> > this category????????
> >
> > A true F0.....WILD ram is a real site to
behold...................question
> > anyone who claims to have real F0 rams.......but if you can be sure, buy
all
> > you can get, you'll never see anything like it!!!!!!!
> >
> > Have a super day folks.....................back to school tomorrow!!
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Mike Jacobs
> > Center for Advanced Technologies
> > High School Math Instructor
> > St. Pete, Fl.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jason Sullivan" <jsull97@earthlink.net>
> > To: <apisto@listbox.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 10:01 PM
> > Subject: RE: blue ram parenting behavior?
> >
> >
> >> Another 2 cents...
> >>
> >> A common problem I have seen among my pairs is that otherwise
attentive,
> > two
> >> active spawners will raise the fry to 4 or 5 days then all the fry
> > disappear
> >> overnight.  This has been very frustrating because I have some pairs
among
> >> that same group that will grow the fry out attentively and then spawn
in
> > the
> >> same tank again at about three weeks.
> >>
> >> This may speak to the earlier comments about breeding line behaviors.
> >> Regardless, the trial and error portion of my spawnings to find a pair
> > that
> >> doesn't eat the fry has cost many a cloud of fry.
> >>
>
>
>
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