Hello, I finally worked up my nerve to ask another question everybody knows the answer to except of course me. How do I tell the males from the females when they are still small? I have one with black ventrals and slightly lyretail like tail fin extensions but no color yet, the fish is about half an inch. Do black ventral always mean female? When do boys color up? Thanks for your patience, Teresa. Teresa, Please ask away. I'm new also so any question you ask I probably don't know the answer to so I'd love to hear the responses and discussion that follows. Not everyone here knows the answers, that's why this list is here. Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.