RE: drip method

["Yvan Alleau" <yalleau@OCE.ORST.EDU>]

hi,
the way we use to release the fish in the staore i've been working with for
6 years while student in France was to let the bag in the tank for 15-20
minutes (except emergency cases), get read of half of the bag water, replace
it by the same amount of tank water. then we waited for another 5 minutes or
so , dumped the fish in nets and directly into the tank.
we were therefore avoiding:
100% water change chock
temperature chock
ammonia issues
Also, lights were of.
take care


 Yvan Alleau
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Oregon State University
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yalleau@coas.oregonstate.edu

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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com
[mailto:owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com]On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:46 AM
To: apisto@listbox.com
Subject: Re: drip method


THe guy who came up with this is the guy that invented
Amquel and Ammo-lock. He spoke at one of our meetings
and he is extremely knowledgeable about chemistry. I
remember his initials were JFK or something similar
but for the life of me I cannot remember is name. IT
does make total sense though. He also talked about the
myth of pH shock. I will tell you this, when I first
heard this idea was when Amquel was first released,
the store I worked at used a method of adding tank
water to the bags to acclimate fish. After speaking
with him we switched to removing the fish from the
water they were in entirely and just dumping htem in
the tank. We experienced a dramatic decrease in deaths
of fish in the first 24 hours. I have used that method
ever since with every type of fish imaginable and have
had no problems with it.




--- Mike Jacobs <mjacobs2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> .....Bingo Eric.....that's exactly what I've heard
> and I have never
> experienced it so in my small little world it
> doesn't happen but I really
> didn't want to open anything up to an argument.
> Some really big time
> aquarists have said that so I am standing neutral on
> the point......never
> experienced it but possible I suppose........great
> question..............any
> one ever had it happen?
>
> ............John.......you gave the "Blue Goop" to
> Cleveland.........or are
> they just dipping some stuff from the lake???
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Jacobs
> Center for Advanced Technologies
> High School Math Instructor
> St. Pete, Fl.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
> To: <apisto@listbox.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:37 PM
> Subject: drip method
>
>
> > The one and only caveat I've ever heard with the
> "drip" method I thought
> > was kind of fascinating: Let's say you take home a
> bag of fish with low
> > hardness (say R/O) water.  The residual fish waste
> in the water weakly
> > acidifies the water. Now you take the bag and
> start to drip in harder
> > tapwater.  Even a small bit of the buffered water
> will start to raise the
> > pH.  As the pH is raised, the nitrogenous waste in
> the form of ammonium
> > (NH4+) starts getting converted to the deadly
> ammonia (NH3), possibly at a
> > faster rate than the old water is diluted by the
> incoming clean water.
> > Yipe!
> >
> > So, I am curious, I have heard this particular bit
> of theoretical
> > chemistry a few times.  Has anyone actually
> experienced this when bringing
> > a fish home?
> >
> >   - Erik
> >
> > --
> > Erik Olson
> > erik at thekrib dot com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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