This method frightens me because the differences between LFS water and my water are rather extreme. Shop water could typically be pH 8, GH of 20+, KH of 15+. The fish would be dumped into pH of 6.5 or lower, GH of 2, KH of less than 1. Early on I got into the habit of taking at least an hour to "float and dribble". For example, I used to get ottos and they always died until I went very slowly with the transfer. Being cynical, I thought the Novaquel/Amquel regime was sales talk. Can there be that much of an ammonia spike if you are adding a couple of fish to a four foot tank (adding perhaps 5% to the biomass)? If fish can cope with dumping, then the squirting seems rather optional. I would have thought in ammonia in the bag was the problem, then add Amquel while you float - though I've not seen great ill-effects from floating without doing this. Cheers ------------------------------------------------------------ from John McCrone ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.