Tim, Like you, my first experience with worms came from wild caught Blue Cacatoides. There was no indication of infestation until about three weeks after the female had spawned which occurred a few days after purchase. Curiously, the fry were not affected and I raised three generations of these fish. I lost the male before I knew how to treat. Then again, a pair of Agassizi came in with worms as well. I've hypothesized in the past as to when fish pick up these parasites. Wild caughts probably come in with them. This worm is endemic to the Americas. However, it seems that fish kept in holding tanks at wholesalers, importers and the lfs can cross infect one another. At first I didn't think this would be the case because of the fact that my cacatoides fry escaped harm. But when the Heckel juveniles managed to create such havoc, it became clear that this parasite is extremely contagious to all other inhabitants of the aquarium with which infested fish share space. Have you been feeding blackworms to your fish as a regular part of their diet or as a treat? There are people on this list who do so on a regular basis to no ill effect. Then there are people like myself who stay clear of both blackworms and tubifex worms because the chance of these creatures carrying cysts of internal parasites is possible. If your fish did not exhibit worms for 3 months, there is a chance they picked them up from the blackworms. I've only used levamisole because it does not have much activity against higher organisms such as fish and nor against less advanced forms of life. It seems to be worm specific in its action. **************************************************************************** ************************************************* >From the internet: Praziquantel, PZQ (Droncit, Drontal, Drontal Plus ? Bayer, RM R Parasiticide-10 - Merial) Mode of action: absorbed, metabolized, excreted in bile as effective form; causes tapeworm to lose its resistance to digestion by host, causes instanta neous tetanic contraction of parasite muscles and rapid vacuolization of syncytial tegument ...............snip................ Safety: five times the recommended dose produced no toxicity No known contraindications ....................................................... **************************************************************************** *********************************************** Seems that this stuff is for tapeworms and maybe that's why it's had no effect on the Camallanus. If the only other drug I had in stock were the Ivermectin, I'd use that. **************************************************************************** ******************************************** Ivermectin (Ivomec R , Ivomec R Plus, Ivomec Sustained Release Bolus (SRB), Eqvalan R , Heartgard TM , Heartgard TM Plus ? Merial, Zimectrin - Farnam) Horses Anthelmintic spectrum: large and small strongyles, Oxyuris, Parascaris, Trichostrongylus, Onchocerca, Gasterophilus, Dictyocaulus, Strongyloides, Habronema, Draschia , (summer sores and cutanteous onchocerciasis) ...................................snip............................... Wide safety margin in all life stages and with other drugs Some mild hypersensitivity may occur from dead parasites ........................snip.............................. **************************************************************************** *************************************************** Seems it's not dangerous to farm animals although that wouldn't necessarily mean 100 percent safety for fish, but perhaps you shouldn't be all that worried either. A big problem with worms is that they cause damage to the digestive tract of the fish. Even if the worms are killed, when the fish regain their appetites and their bowels fill up, their intestines perforate and death ensues from peritonitis. You'll have to bear this in mind during the course of treatment and for a week or so after erradication of the parasites. Good luck Gabriella Kadar Toronto ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.