Thanks for the info, and for assuring me that I am not boring anybody. I did try to find specific answers at the krib but I must not have searched quite right. The fry are a week old and have pink bellies from the bbs I fed them this morning, so things must be okay. Now, I just have to set up to steal some eggs from my blue pair. You guys with all the experience have so much to teach the newcomers. Thanks again, Teresa. ps I am 37 and have kept fish since I was 17 off and on but only got into dwarf cichlids and difficult fish in the last two years. I had not bred any fish except livebearers until this year. Now I have juvenile cacs and borelli fry and now rams. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.