I am new to the list, but not too long ago I saw a presentation by Al Casrto, who broke down bbs. Apparently, there are 3 types of bbs eggs. The largest is Utah, which is 3 times larger than San Francisco, which is 3 times larger than Southern Hemisphere eggs (the smallest). He was using these for tetra fry, which are, in general, pretty darn small-mouthed. I don't have any suggestions where to come across them, but I believe that they are pretty hard to find and expensive. I have found that Rams can usually take bbs of the SF type right away, if you take care to harvest them in about 18 hours. In addition to (the other suggestion) Java Moss and general infusoria from a sponge filter that is already in the tank at mediocre levels, this can usually support the food requirements of Ram fry during the crucial first few days. Neil ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.