Wow ..... $50 for a pair of Cacatuoides.... OMG You guys should move to western New York area.... one of the shops up there has several species of apistos in stock at most times... once while in there i counted 13 different species of apistos, not even counting westies or other SA dwarf cichlids..... and the best part is....The most expensive apisto pair i ever saw was $20 for the pair.... picked up Adult Nanochromis Transvestitus for $30 once..... Now speaking of sightings of apistos.... I was in Montreal tonight for my Aquarium club meeting ( Montreal Aquarium Society) and visited several shops before the meeting... I saw those Infamous Steel Blue Face Hybrid Apistos tonight.... there was several males ..... and like we've said before NO females.. They were also labeled as Borellii.. which they weren't.... I did pick up 4 really nice Mikrogeophagus Altispinosa.... looks like i ended up with 1 male 3 females....and darn near breeding size too. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.