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Re: One more ? about my aggies

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Subject: Re: One more ? about my aggies
From: Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise@fgn.net>
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 10:42:51 -0700
Tony,

I'd try Jerry's method. I don't think water with a 4º dKH will be too hard to
adjust with a pH buffer. It might be cheaper to get some sphagnum peat and use
it to drop the pH. It should drop the overall hardness and add chemicals that
tend to stimulate apisto spawning for some reason, too. I use several 20 gallon
plastic tubs. Each has a 10 gallon air driven UGF covered with 2-3 inches of
peat. I add dechlorinated tap water to the tubs and let them cycle until I need
the water. My pH drops well below 6, but my KH from the tap is almost 0.

Mike Wise

Anthony Baker wrote:

> Thanks to Mike and Jerry for responding to my previous question about moving
> my breeding aggies to a 10g tank.  I plan on doing that in the next few
> days, but have a couple questions first...
>
> As I said earlier, their new home will not have CO2, so the pH currently is
> sitting at 7.8 (KH ~4). I want to get to about 6.3-5 for the pair, but don't
> want to harm them in the process.  I do not have an RO unit.  So, I am
> wondering what the best way to proceed would be. I was planning removing
> about half the tanks water, and replacing it with bottled DI/RO water from
> the grocery store.  Is this a viable option?  Or should I invest in a Tap
> Water filter?  Or, should I just use Seachem acid buffer?
>
> (I'm currently in an appartment, so I don't have a way to collect rain water
> or make major modifications to anything!)
>
> Suggestions appreciated!
> TIA
> Tony
>
> >From: "Anthony Baker" <anthony_w_baker@hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: apisto@listbox.com
> >To: apisto@listbox.com
> >Subject: Re: Tank mate / Artificial hatching questions...
> >Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 14:18:06 -0500
> >
> >Mike W.-
> >
> >Ahhh, I got you confused with Mike Jacobs, sorry! -- His page with the
> >red-gold aggie is http://www.geocities.com/mikefjacobs/apistopage1.html
> >
> >Thanks for the advice -- I guess I can add some DI water to get the pH down
> >to the 6.0 range.  I've bred cockatoos in tens, but not aggies so I wasn't
> >sure if they were pickier.  I'll load the tank up with pots and excess
> >plant
> >cuttings to give them plenty of hiding spots.  The hard part I fear is
> >going
> >to be netting them out of the planted 60!
> >
> >-Tony
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise@fgn.net>
> >>Reply-To: apisto@listbox.com
> >>To: apisto@listbox.com
> >>Subject: Re: Tank mate / Artificial hatching questions...
> >>Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:58:57 -0700
> >>
> >>Tony,
> >>
> >>A 10 gallon tank should be fine for your aggies. They would be better off
> >>with a pH
> >>around 6.0 - 6.5, but should produce a few fry at around neutral. My only
> >>suggestions
> >>would be to have at least 2 hiding places for each fish (reduces the
> >>chance
> >>of damage
> >>to one fish by the other) & move the male back to your 60 after the female
> >>has eggs.
> >>Sometimes females get real nasty & a 10 isn't very large.
> >>
> >>BTW which web site has the red-gold aggie? I don't have a personal web
> >>site.
> >>
> >>Mike Wise
> >>
> >>Anthony Baker wrote:
> >>
> >> > Thanks Mike.  I actually looked at the wonderful pics
> >> > on your site, and my male is nearly identical to the
> >> > A. agassizii 'red-gold' you have pictured on Page 1.
> >> >
> >> > Another simple newbie-type question -- The only free
> >> > tank that I could house this pair in is a standard
> >> > 10G with a well cycled sponge filter, a few plant
> >> > cuttings and a thin layer of flourite (I have been
> >> > planing to rear fry in this tank, but the eggs never
> >> > make it!).  I could add some flower pots and PVC to
> >> > increase the hiding spots.  Would this be of
> >> > sufficent size for this pair?
> >> >
> >> > Also, the water in the 60G tank and the 10G is tap
> >> > water with a KH of 3-4 and GH of 5-6.  Compressed CO2
> >> > in the 60G brings down the pH to ~6.8.  The pH in the
> >> > 10G is probably 7.1 or so, but haven't checked
> >> > lately.  Should I add some acid buffer or DIY CO2 to
> >> > lower the pH, or will the pair be able to breed under
> >> > the existing conditions in the 10G?  And, if they do
> >> > breed, should I pull the male out after the eggs are
> >> > laid?
> >> >
> >> > TIA
> >> > -Tony
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise@fgn.net>
> >> > Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:26:49 -0700
> >> > To: apisto@listbox.com
> >> > Subject: Re: Tank mate / Artificial hatching questions...
> >> >
> >> > > Tony,
> >> > >
> >> > > Any of these fish, including the parents, are likely candidates for
> >>egg eating.
> >> > > Apparently there aren't any acceptable caves for spawning or the
> >>aggies wouldn't
> >> > > be spawning on an open leaf. In such a busy tank the female may feel
> >>it better
> >> > > to eat the eggs and 'recycle' the nutrients for future breeding than
> >>to keep up
> >> > > the effort to protect them from so many fish. You could cut the leaf
> >>and
> >> > > artificially raise the fry like angelfish, but most hobbyists who
> >>have
> >>done this
> >> > > have found that they get fewer, and slower growing, fry than when
> >>kept
> >>with
> >> > > their mother. My suggestion is putting the parents in their own tank
> >>for
> >> > > breeding purposes. Otherwise just accept that any fry coming from
> >>this
> >>tank will
> >> > > be a lucky bonus.
> >> > >
> >> > > Mike Wise
> >> >
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