That's interesting Mike, I'll look into what you say. The tank size though is where we differ. I just have had too many beaten up males even in 20 longs. I have a beautiful Flametail right now that looks like it has a lyretail because the female just took a nice chunk out of it. If a tanks size of 20 long is more than what I need then what is it . I sometimes think I get these real mean females from Minnesota from a renown fish guy who will remain nameless. I would appreciate your thoughts as the Aggie is one of my favorites. I have a double red now and a yellow tail and the flame tail. I hope to get a really nice Red/Gold someday soon. Thanks much JerryB ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.