Thanks Dave S and Mike W I know these are really helpful pieces of info. I'm just about to do just that. My favorite thing. Water changes. Zman says its just like a newly fallen rain. Nice clean water.....really gets them going. Some black worms and bbs don't hurt either. Thanks again all of you JerryB ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.