Why is a topic of some controversy not discussible? Should we all only talk about things we can agree on 100% and pat each other on the back about? It is relevant and for some of us it is interesting. As I said, if it doesn't interest you, this is not the only thread and you do have a delete button. Zack ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.