No, Jerry, they could still be juvenile or sneaker males. I have an A. norberti that I thought was a female, bright yellow & black. Now he has a patterned tail. Too bad, now I have 2 males and no females - and these were from a known locality different from the type locality. Anyone got any extra female norbertis, preferably if they come from Santa Ana, Peru? Mike Wise JerrCarol@aol.com wrote: > In cacatuoides does having black pelvics make them a for sure female? > Thanks > JerryB > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the Apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.