"I'm finally going to give D. Filamentosa and A. Panduro a try. I've been avoiding the D. Filamentosa because I'd like to see if I can get it to have a natural "child birth." I've heard it's hard to get the female to take care of the eggs/fry without eating them. My pair will be wild so I'm thinking chances should be better." When I first heard this Jerry I thought to myself what the heck are people talking about. In my experience D.filamentosus mothers are superb mothers and take excellent care of their fry. I am currently breeding a group of them as we speak and I have a female tending fry this very hour. So what's the secret? Jerry you must sacrifice 2 cans of bbs eggs to the Apisto gods and then .... Kidding The key is as me and Mike W are fond of saying cover, water quality, and food. 1) Cover I am using a cover of Riccia and they are swimming all over the tank. They obviously feel secure! Hey I have places to hide and I dont feel like something is going to eat me there fore I can think about other things like breeding. Ok maybe i'm psycho analizing a fish. But it's not far from the truth. 2)Water quality. The most important one of all. These fish come from very pure 3 us/cm microsiemen water that stays that way day in and day out. Get out your meter at home and test thewater from day to day. Big change, big increase in conductivity from day to day. So we have to keep up the water quality this means water changes! Having a heavily planted tank with nutrient sucking plants is a huge help. The planst will consume waste in the form of ammonuim thus nitrate will not eve be produced because the plants are eating the waste before hand! The point is we need to maintain a very stable and level conductivity as well as very low. I have preached this for years on the Apisto list. It is just common sense if we compare how our closed system is in comparison to the native biotope we begin to see this is a very key point. Most fish are more tolerant of this and our little friend D.filamentosus is one of the more demanding species in this regard. Of course we know we need a very low pH and 0 DH and 0 KH. That is easy with the equipment we are blessed with today. You say people failed even with the proper water parameters so the key is the counductivty and keeping it low and stable as possable. 3) Man feed them! get them fat. I promise if we feed heavily we will get eggs no matter what. They may not hatch etc but they will breed if they are being fed well. Black worms, daphnia, bloodworms etc etc. My philosophy is get the female so fat and filled with roe she simply has to lay eggs. A simple yet effective plan. See no secrets:) Mosquito larvae is one of the very best foods, I read it actualy has a hormone or something that stimulates them to spawn. Well I have plenty of them year round so I use them! Anyway I hope you can enjoy the great site a shoal of Dicosus can be with their momma leading them around. This was a hot topic at one time too Jerry. But it is now I hope accepted fact. Dave sanchez --- JerrCarol@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/15/2002 11:58:13 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > firstname.lastname@example.org writes: > > > > Sphagnum > > peat is peat made from sphagnum moss. This is the > one we apistophiles & > > killinuts covet. Sorry, just feeling nit picky ;-) > > > > > > Not being picky I think. I'd rather know what is the > best to use. So it's > sphagnum peat then. A new adventure for me. > > I'm finally going to give D. Filamentosa and A. > Panduro a try. > I've been avoiding the D. Filamentosa because I'd > like to see if I can get it > to have a natural "child birth." I've heard it's > hard to get the female to > take care of the eggs/fry without eating them. My > pair will be wild so I'm > thinking chances should be better. > > As for Panduro well, still researching. I really > got to stop buying so many > fish and buy some more books. At least I have the > list and the Internet but, > the books are helpful....just thinking out loud I > guess...I do that once in a > while...think that is.<G> > > JerryB > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, > email@example.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe > or get help, > email firstname.lastname@example.org. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, email@example.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email firstname.lastname@example.org.