Thanks again Dave, I just follow the direction on the back of the box.<G> I ask questions because I'm not sure. The books I have so far don't address them. Yes, I love the apistos but, I have to admit there are some stores I go to-the old fashion type of LFS-and I could say give one of each. But, I don't like to go in blind Like I said before I keep notes. I already have a page on the D. Filamentosa not a book like my e-mails just the basics like water type, some key points to remember stuff like that. So until I get use to working with them I can tell at a glance what they need. I don't usually have to panic looking through books and the Internet trying to figure what I should be doing. Unless of course it's the night after the OCA. I still had bags floating on top of tanks the next morning when I woke up because I was tired of putting fish away.<G> JerryB ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto