How about some diplomatic self help for the list. This will require your participation. Let's adopt the convention that if you have a complaint with an off topic discussion, you forward the email with a simple line Your posting is off topic, this is the apisto list. to the sender, not the list. cc: me if you want. Don't elaborate it with any disparaging remarks about the sender or the topic. I am hoping some non confrontational peer pressure can keep this list alive. I am open to better suggestions, off list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.