WOW Dave that does suck...I'm sorry to hear that. I just bought a pair of GORGOUS blue Rams from a LFS and I got them home <2 days ago> and the next day <yesterday> they had spawned in my tank. I'm waiting for them to hatch then will try to transfer them to a 10 gallon tank I already have set up. Wish me luck and I hope you dont lose any more. Keny ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto