Hello Colin Everyone seems to have a nemisis fish that give them fits..... but also remember that its always possible that you have had uncompatable pairs of fish.... i have this young pair of triple red cacatuoides that i picked up in november in cleveland at the OCA extravaganza that turned out to be grandkids from my own line of fish... now this pair is spawning for me like convicts where as my other pair was starting to give me fits..... I also have a pair of Aggie Alenquers thats giving me fits at the moment but have brothers and sisters that are spawning fairly regular in a huge community tank.... I now also have Rams that are spawning like convicts for me where as in the past Rams were the fish i couldnt spawn... of course i think the line of fish that i got from Al in pittsburgh is truly awesome lookiing and very prolific... if you need rams that WANT to spawn , give Al a buzz.... I presently have 2 pairs of rams and both are spawning for me..... My Ram problems are over.... My present problem fish is Panduro..... i cant get a pair that likes each other then spawn for me.... Im down to 2 females and no males.... Im looking for some of those at the NEC workshop in 2 weeks in Hartford CT. Keep the chin up and be patient.... just when you're about to give up on your fish Colin, they'll spawn for you. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto