Hi Mike You are quite right - I do need a copy. My 'wilmeri' probably are Wilhelmi - but the spelling problem is mine. The person i got them from originally told me they were pulchra, but they didn't match any pulchra images I found. This fish is an agassizi type. To my mind, the stand-out feature is the purple lower mouth of the males. My friend later muttered something about wilmeri, and that's what I've been calling them. Unfortunately, I lost the parents, but I have about 40 sub adult fry that I'm growing out. Mike & Diane Wise wrote: > Dominic, > > It seems that you need to pick up a copy of Römer's Cichlid Atlas. The T-bar is > fairly adaptable to water conditions, not needing super soft water. > > My question is with your pulchra. There are many forms in the pulchra-complex. > I've never heard of "cf. wilmeri". Could yours be the same as 'A. sp. > Wilhelmi'? Too often, it seems, suppliers are poor spellers. This is a rather > pretty fish with a very poor name. It's now being discussed as 'A. cf. pulchra > (Abacaxis)' because it comes from the Rio Abacaxis. > > Mike Wise > > dominic wrote: > > > Actually, I just picked up a pair of pucallpaensis. Can anyone > > tell me anything about them? (They are currently sharing a 40 > > gal with a large school of A. pulchra cf wilmeri and i'm wondering > > if they need the water as soft as do the wilmeri). > > > > thanks > > > > Dominic Stones > > Richmond Hill Ontario > > Canada > > > > >--- Original Message --- > > >From: Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise@fgn.net> > > >To: apisto@listbox.com > > >Date: 4/3/02 12:22:10 PM > > > > > > > >Matthew, > > > > > >For now agassizii, borellii, macmasteri & all > > >other hobby apistos (except the T-bar Apisto, > > >Apistogrammoides pucallpaensis) are considered > > >members of the genus Apistogramma. This genus > > >might be split into several (3-5) genera in the > > >future, based on features no less significant than > > >those that separate Apistogrammoides from > > >Apistogramma. It all depends on how important > > >South American cichlid taxonomists consider the > > >need to do this. > > > > > >Apistogrammoides pucallpaensis is present in the > > >hobby right now. It just takes a little hunting. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > > email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. > > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto