Thank you Mike! I am starting to wonder if anyone noticed my post. The wise man on the list for the rescue again! I certainly hope that they are new larvae. Yes, they are dark and smaller than the eggs. I vaguely remember that I might have seen one of my young borellii female guarding something like these before. The mother fish is still guarding the little dark things and they are all on the side of the flower pot in a loose cluster just where I expect the eggs to be. Daphnia and grindal worms the mom used to collect are still on the bottom of the excavated pit under the flower pot, alive and moving. I doubt my female is guarding pin head size ramshorn snails, although it is a possibility with a collector like her. I have had some time with these trifasciata trio, arriving 11 days late via priority mail in early November (the aftermath of 9/11) in icy cold water to start with. They spawned before but lost their eggs. Then I tried soft water, medium hard water, low pH, higher pH, etc., etc. Hope she will reward me with some free swimming fry soon. Tomoko ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto