couldn't the pencil fish have recognise the young angel as a futur threat (ie predator) and start dealing with the problem? Yvan Alleau 712 NW Kings Blvd Corvallis, OR 97330 College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences Oregon State University office (Burt 222): 737-3649, to be used wisely! home: 738-0606 PLEASE NOTE NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: yalleau@coas.oregonstate.edu "When you're far from everything, you're getting closer to the essential" -----Original Message----- From: owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com [mailto:owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com]On Behalf Of mjacobs2@tampabay.rr.com Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 2:30 AM To: apisto@listbox.com Subject: Re: a stupid question (tagert vs. dither) ..this business about dither fish....it is fun to watch the interaction of females AND some males "work" the dithers....that's part of the dwarf cichlid syndrome......but I'l tell you what folks, some of the old standby dithers are really 'snotty' little buggers.......generally I agree with the fish that Sal mentioned......but listen to this......4-5 days ago I had a 33 gallon "breeder" tank with a lot of plants in it and a trio of "espi" dwarf pencils.......Randy Cary has a nifty article about them on his web site.......I dropped in the tank about 50-60 SMALL angels.......they were just finning out.....maybe 2-3 weeks old......old enough not to worry about some dwarf pencils........I just dropped them in and went about my business for an hour or so and came back and saw about 20 dead little angels.......my first thought was there was a serious water problem until I saw one of the pencils come flying out from behind some plants and take a swipe at an angel.......the angel wasn't dead but injured....and then the male pencil flew out of the same plant and finished off the little angle DOA....it just drifted to the bottom...they weren't eating them, just killing them....unbelievable from a dwarf pencil!!!!! It's a crazy hobby......these calm dwarf pencils went ballistic when the angels were put in there......now guys these were angels with fins started, they were the size of your little fingernail......not a 3 day old angel!!! Mike > Just my 2 cents in using Neon's/ cardinals..They will work as a group to > snatch fry (basically when the female chases one the others scoop in and eat > the fry).. so I would be careful in using them. I had good luck using dwarf > pencilfish, hatchet fish, harlequin Rasboras). good luck > > sal > .. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto