There you go Colin you have been witness to one of natures mystery's Soft Water Dwarf Cichlids Uwe Romer & David Soares 14697 S. Bluegrass Ln. Sisters OR, 97759 Phone/541-549-9350 apistodave@bendcable.com www.apistogrammaidiots.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Gorton" <mr_apisto@graffiti.net> To: <apisto@listbox.com> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Cren. Puntulata success:-) > Yeah, I'm pretty sure they were all females, the dominant one grew and grew! I noticed the change of colouration (ie sex) starting a couple of months ago. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Soares" <apistodave@bendcable.com> > Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 07:04:25 -0700 > To: <apisto@listbox.com> > Subject: Re: Cren. Puntulata success:-) > > > > Congratulations Colin they are a difficult fish but the Germans have > > actually spawned them quite regular you might have been having a gender > > problem and it just flipped over for you! > > Soft Water Dwarf Cichlids > > Uwe Romer & David Soares > > 14697 S. Bluegrass Ln. > > Sisters OR, 97759 > > Phone/541-549-9350 > > apistodave@bendcable.com > > www.apistogrammaidiots.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Colin Gorton" <mr_apisto@graffiti.net> > > To: <apisto@listbox.com> > > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 6:48 AM > > Subject: Cren. Puntulata success:-) > > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > On Saturday evening I got home to find a brood of Crenicara Puntulata > > swimming around. I was especially pleased because I'd started to > > think that they'd never do anything, especially having read of other > > people's experiences as well as what there is about them in Mayland and > > Bork. > > > My experience has been completely different from that in M+B, the female > > developed a very strong continuous lateral line and continues to show this > > now. They bred in a 130 gallon (500litre) tank with various other fish (I'm > > using the 130 primarily as a grow-out tank) which is heavily planted at one > > end but with very little cover at the other except for dense floating plants > > (Eichornia Crassipes and Pistia Stratiotes.) The tank has MH lighting, CO2 > > injection, substrate heating with water at 0º for both KH and GH. > > > I was particularly interested to note that she chose the unplanted end to > > spawn, but having watched her behaviour it seems that she chose that end > > because she can see any potential threat coming from a long way off. I never > > actually saw the spawn though I did notice that both the male (who was > > previously female) had changed colour (yellow ventral fins and a blue sheen > > to the rest of the body and the lateral line became very indistinct. Having > > seen these changes I spent quite a long time looking for signs of eggs but > > couldn't see them and thought it must be another false alarm. She must have > > worked quite hard at protecting the eggs as there are a couple of Corys in > > the tank as well as Pencil fish, Ap. Steindachneri fry N. Taenia fry, M. > > Altispinosus as well as various Otos. I don't suppose that any are > > particularly notorious egg stealers (except the Corys) but the number of > > fish in there must have made her job quite tough. So far about 30 fry have > > survived. > > > The female is doing most of the guard duties but the male is also being > > more aggressive towards the other females. He does come into the mother's > > territory and isn't attacked unless he comes VERY close to the fry. In fact, > > in most instances I would have said that behaviour is very similar to that > > of Apistos (other than being an substrate spawner): the female moves her fry > > around quite regularly and protects the young, in addition she cleans an > > area of detritus before moving the young to a new site. Most of the time the > > young are quite active but when they're not, mum sort of "piles them up" > > into a mound. The fry are quite a strange "bent comet" shape, with a > > very obvious head and tail and nothing else very visible, a very different > > shape from the parents, more like the shape you'd expect from a Biotoecus or > > Dicrossus. > > > I'm going to be away from home for a few days and debating whether to > > leave all the fry in their current tank or whether to transfer them, does > > anybody have any suggestions? > > > > > > As I've said before, I don't seem to have problems with the "difficult" > > ones, but can never get the "easy" ones to breed<:-). > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net > > > > > > Powered by Outblaze > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > > > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > > > email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also > > available. > > > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > > email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. > > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto > > > > > > C:-)lin > > They said "Smile, things could be worse." So I smiled, and sure enough... > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net > > Powered by Outblaze > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto