Some people asked about my setup - At the moment I only have five altispinosus, purchased at Christmas, in a 60 litre tank with some rummy-noses and red phantoms. Difficult to sex. One of them is getting beautiful extralong red tassels on its caudal fin. Some of them seem to have a very short nub of an ovipositor at the vent. I have 3 other 60 litre tanks but they are all empty now, and a bunch of small plastic tanks for various purposes. I just age (a few days), filter and preheat water for water changes, Tokyo water is so soft, and aged water does not seem to need declorination. I feed pellets and frozen bloodworms. I have bred agassizii and cacatuoides, also kept eunotus and bitaeniata, and apistogrammoides. As I recall eunotus and bitaeniata spawned but I had too many other fish. All of those fish I collected in Peru July/August of '95 and '96, and many of them were too small (for me) to id at the time of capture. The apistogrammoides, despite having 5 or six of them, may have all been females, they never did anything except grow slowly, and I couln't find more in Tokyo. The last wild apisto I collected in '96 died in January this 2002, a female bitaeniata - must have been 5 1/2 years old. Fully adult (male) apistos are truly a sight to behold. The male had died months earlier, bent-backed but still proud. So I am fresh out of apistos, and want to go back this year and get some more. I only got into apistos by chance, they found their way into my nets. I have also bred a couple of tetras, and white clouds. That's about it. Other readers are far more accomplished. I don't know about all the real apistos going to Japan, but Tokyo is blessed with some excellent stores which stock a lot of varieties. Frank ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto