hi helen-im with you all the way here if i pay good money for a pair of fish that are said to be wild caught i would expect w/c then the object of the excersize would be to try and breed them- if successful- while im rearing the first batch of fry up the parents are then conditioned up to spawn again most of the fish from the first spawning our then passed back into the hobby if other people are successful great if we then later on want to exchange male /females back again all well and good then the fish are distributed back into the trade also auctions so as a layman on genetics/linebreeding my only basic theory is wild fish to F1s to F2s play around with them then in all are different types of waters and then we end up with what i would call domesticated fish-as i said before all i am is a hobbist trying to obtain good fish breed them and pass them back into the hobby---scouse RAY--- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Burns" <helen.burns@bigwig.net> To: <apisto@listbox.com> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 11:15 PM Subject: Re: how do you call... > It seems the rules are very different "over the pond" than here in the U.K. > We don't refer to a Wild Caught as F0 - it is simply W/C . The fry from a > W/C pair are F1's then their offspring are F2's. Rarely do we then note F3, > F4 etc. > The fry bred from a W/C and F1 are referred to as F1/F2. > I personally would be very displeased if I had paid good money for fish if > they were labelled say F1 if they had not been bred from a Wild Caught pair. > Helen > > > > My understanding of F numbers is that it has nothing to do with wild > caught or > > domestic animals. There actually is no F0. Whether the plant or animal > being > > bred is wild or domestic the offspring of your 'starters' are F1, the > offspring > > of F1s are F2s, etc. Backbreaking offspring to parent doesn't usually > apply in > > this system. > > > > Mike Wise > > > > Yvan Alleau wrote: > > > > > hi all, > > > Since a bunch of us are into genetics and related fields, i have a > question: > > > if the offsrpings of a wild pair (F0) are called F1 > > > the offsrpings of the F1 called F2 > > > How do you call a cross between 1 F0 and 1 F1 ? Just curious! > > > have a good day > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto