Hello Lean I have to agree with david... all the apistos are fine.. just dont mix the pelvicachromis species in with the south american species... for some reason they never do well together... old world fish with old world fish, new world fish in with new world fish.... best rule of thumb.... just dont come look in some of my tanks...<grin> Aequidens Metae in with Tilapia Mariae.. oh well!!! John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto