Greg, That's not exactly what I said. I said that the type eunotus hasn't been in the hobby. The closest to it is the fish we had back in the early 1980s that we called the Pink Eunotus. This is a deeper bodied & more laterally compressed fish than what we see now. The Pink Eunotus was a pale salmon color and very easy to breed. It came from the Rio Shahuaya, closer to Pucallpa where the type material of A. eunotus was collected than what is presently shipped as 'A. eunotus'. Most of the 'A. cf. eunotus are related to the holotype. Fish labeled "A. cf. eunotus" conform in most respects to the type material, but are different enough that we aren't sure that they are the same species. Until more detailed collections & distribution studies are made, it is best to understand that these fish may or may not be A. eunotus. Mike Wise Engagg@aol.com wrote: > Mike, If no eunotus has been in the hobby, then > what do we cf. eunotus? Would this fish be > realted to the real eunotus? > > Greg ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto