Seperating pairs to keep them from spawning... Thats certainly not in my vocabulary.....Spawn baby spawn...... gimme the fry.... i dont expect my breeders to live more then 2 years and i expect about 1 good year of spawning out of them... to only want 3 or 4 spawns a year.... i have to admit.... id be nuts to want that... i presently have 2 pairs of MacMasteri rednecks that i cant stop from spawning and am loving it.. i wait about 2 weeks then siphon off the fry. what i need now is more tank space to house all these fry.... God i love it when a pair loves to spawn.... Now as to tank size.... i pretty much use only 10 gallon tanks as my breeders..... i do have a few 15s and 20 longs... but those are for my bigger fish.....ive only once needed to move a fish into a bigger tank then a 20 long to keep them happy..... and that was my wild caught Atahaulpa i got from Julio many years ago.. they just hated everything... including themselves. I use lots of flower pots in each tank, at least 2 per fish and this keeps my aggression level down after spawns and to a degree before spawns.... ah Hell.... i've bred Trifasciata ( apisto not rainbows), Nijsenni, Puerto Narino, Aggies, Cacatuoides, Borellis, Inconspicua, Panduro and Caetei in 5 gallon tanks, why would i want 30s except for grow outs.... Ive almost never had a problem with over aggression where i had to remove a male from the tank after spawning... except with Nanacara Anomolas.... John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader