Mike if I handled them like you did I would be working 24x7 with 260 tanks. The smaller ones are 30 gals so the females and males both can excape. I just leave them together but with lots of hidey holes Soft Water Dwarf Cichlids David Soares & Uwe Romer 14697 S Bluegrass LN Sisters Or 97759 apistodave@bendcable.com www.apistogrammaidiots.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike & Diane Wise" <apistowise@fgn.net> To: <apisto@listbox.com> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:01 AM Subject: Re: frequent spawning > Dave, > > Most of my more polygamous species are bred as pairs or trios in 20 gallon long > (30x12x12" / 75x30x30 cm) tanks. For more 'monogamous' pairs (nijsseni- & most > regani-group species) I usually use 12 gallon tanks (18x16x10" / 45x40x25cm) for > smaller species & 15 gallon tanks (24x12x12 / 60x31x30 cm) for larger species. > Believe it or not the largest tank I have is a 30 gallon long (36x12x16" / > 90x30x40 cm). I don't consider myself a serious breeder. I'm more interested in > their identification & phylogenic relationships. > > Mike Wise > > David Soares wrote: > > > Mike what size breeding tanks? > > Soft Water Dwarf Cichlids > > David Soares & Uwe Romer > > 14697 S Bluegrass LN > > Sisters Or 97759 > > apistodave@bendcable.com > > www.apistogrammaidiots.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike & Diane Wise" <apistowise@fgn.net> > > To: <apisto@listbox.com> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 8:00 AM > > Subject: Re: frequent spawning > > > > > Boleslaw, > > > > > > I usually keep my males & females together, but I separate them when I do > > not want them to breed. I also find that it is less > > > stressful for the male, female, and me if I separate the males of the more > > aggressive species once the female has fry. I then > > > keep the fry with her for 2 - 3 months. After 6 weeks the female usually > > stops guarding the juveniles & she is given a rest > > > before I feel I want another brood. Then the juveniles are removed from > > the female's aquarium, and the male is reintroduced. The > > > breeding aquarium is her territory, not the male's. She is not continually > > harassed and she is not forced to breed continuously. > > > This isn't quite the natural way, but it is less stressful on females. I > > consider it a variation of Ron Harlan's cypriform > > > method of breeding Apistogramma. > > > > > > Mike Wise > > > > > > boleslawgawel@poczta.onet.pl wrote: > > > > > > > Mine I breed only 3 - 4 times > > > > >each year (I separate the males from the females after spawning). My > > feeling is > > > > >that spawning & raising fry causes more stress than simply eating & > > swimming. > > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > are stresses the reason that you separate the males from the females? Or > > is there any other reason? Is it a common practice? > > > > Do I understand correctly that you keep the males separated from the > > females and put them together for spawning only? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Boleslaw Gawel > > > > Warszawa-Katowice > > > > Poland > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > > > > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > > > > email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also > > available. > > > > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto > > > > Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > > > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > > > email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also > > available. > > > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto > > > Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > > email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. > > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto > > Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto > Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. 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