Hello, I don't really know why I do it the way I do. I always move some fry to a small five gallon bare bottom where they are easier to see and get food to. Then, when they are a little larger, I move them to a thirty gallon grow out. The parents stay in a ten with substrate and plants. I guess I don't like the looks of a bare bottom tank and the rams are in my bedroom cause I like to look at them a lot. The bare bottom tanks are in the garage. I am not trying to sell a method, I am just muddling around. Sometimes what I do is just dictated by my own peculiarities. Thanks, Teresa ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader