Hi John, So staying away might be another viable method to induce spawning <g>. I probably fuss over my fish too much. Are you having a hot humid summer this year? The weather was awful in Milwaukee, but the LFS's up there were just marvelous! I picked up some pencilfish to use as dither for my aggies (you see I listen to you, too) and a pair of scarlet badis along with some interesting aquatic plants. I put the pencilfish with my Rio Mamore (I believe my fish are offspring of yours.) A few days later the female shaped up and spawned! Tomoko ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader